Some Personal Observations About Getting Around the Twin Cities

Minneapolis 1, St Paul 0 — While driving around in Minneapolis and St Paul the other day, the differences in street life were enormous. Massively more people were riding bicycles (and walking) around Minneapolis than St Paul. Or, there were a lot of people riding in Minneapolis and nobody in St Paul. If I were an employer looking for a place to locate and I thought the people I’d want to work for me might appreciate a more walking and bicycle friendly environment it’d be difficult to consider St Paul. Hopefully the new Bike Plan will begin to correct this. (Note: Personally I would still choose St Paul.)

Traffic Engineers 6 (Seconds), Us 37 (Minutes) — On the same day, I racked up 37 minutes sitting at red lights with no cross traffic. I think this was a new wasted-time-at-intersections record for me. Many of these would be safer and more efficient as roundabouts. Shorter cycle times would help others. This brings new meaning to all of the times I’ve heard traffic engineers say that they need to spend millions of dollars expanding one intersection and can’t put in no-turn-on-red, all in order to save drivers an average of 6 seconds and thus one letter grade better LOS (Level Of Service). It could have been 36 minutes and 54 seconds.

The Social Isolation of the Green Line — Some stations along the Green Line feel a bit isolated. At some you are completely separated from all surrounding sidewalks and businesses by walls, plexiglass, and control boxes. Others are staggered so while you’re isolated from the sidewalk and businesses nearest you, you can at least see across the tracks and road to the people and businesses on the other side (that’s a long way away though and too far to hear or interact.) This isolation extends to the sidewalks on either side that become isolated as well.

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Green Line station isolated from the rest of the street

 

Are these necessary due to our weather or would tram stops similar to Scandinavian countries have worked as well as have allowed more room for wider sidewalks, cycletracks, and more parking? (For comparison the cycletrack, tram stop, both tracks, disabled dude, and most of the parked cars on the left can fit within one of our Green Line stations plus tracks.)

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Dutch tram stop

 

Law Abiding Isn’t Popular — For the past few weeks I’ve been driving a car with semi-autonomous driving capability. Lane keeping isn’t yet ready for prime time, but I rarely had to touch a pedal. It can read speed limit signs and automatically drive the speed limit or follow the car ahead. Consistently driving the speed limit results in lots of cars piled up behind, some obviously angry passes, a bit of honking, and some sign language. People don’t seem to like it if you actually stop at every stop sign either. Maybe it should have a Law Abiding mode, Not Quite Law Abiding, and a Laws? What Laws? mode.

How Slow Can You Drive? — I recently turned onto a road and had about a mile to my destination straight ahead. I immediately found myself behind someone riding about 12 mph on their bicycle. There were enough cars coming from the opposite direction that I never had an opportunity to pass safely. 12 MPH makes for a long mile.

Poor Choice Of Words — Folks in White Bear Lake wanted to slow traffic on Hiway 61 where it goes through the middle of downtown so they asked MnDOT to narrow the lanes from 12′ to 11′ during a repaving project. MnDOT’s Curt Fakler responded: “When we do a mill and overlay, we’re not looking at changing the character of the road. We’re just trying to fix the surface. Speed was not considered.”

It seems to me that this would be the ideal time to consider the character of the road. If not now, when do they consider it? This might help explain why our roads are so dangerous and we don’t seem to ever have enough money to do anything about it.

Note: The City of White Bear Lake won and the lanes were narrowed to 11’. Initial feedback indicates it’s had a positive effect on speeds, noise, and the general comfort of things. Sadly, rather than use the extra space for much needed bikeways and sidewalks that have been called for by citizens they chose a decorative median.

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White Bear Lake decorative median using space created by lane-narrowing

 

Poorer Choice Of Words? — Some time ago, after a significant increase in speeding ticket cases and in a budget conscious mood, Hennepin County Courts decided that they would limit the number of speeding ticket cases they would hear from local cities. Brooklyn Park City Manager Jamie Verbrugge responded “Speed control is an essential part of neighborhood livability… We are not going to stop writing traffic tickets.  If there is going to be a gap in collecting those revenues, then we are going to have to step in and fill the gap.” Neighborhood livability or revenue?  Hat tip to Sigmund Freud. (Note: I have also heard some quite good things about Verbrugge so perhaps he’s not all bad).

Why Are So Many Dutch Disabled? — I’ve traveled to or through The Netherlands nearly three dozen times over the past nine years as well as dozens of visits to other European countries. Numerous times I’ve thought that there seemed to be very noticeably more physically disabled folk in The Netherlands than any other country (including the U.S.)  According to WHO there are indeed about 10% more disabled in the EU but The Netherlands is actually below average.

The answer it seems is not that there are more disabled but that disabled folk in The Netherlands are out and about much more. Unlike disabled in the U.S. who find it difficult or impossible to get from A to B, folks in The Netherlands use the Dutch bikeways. They have a flat, smooth, well-maintained pathway from wherever they live to anywhere they want to go.

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Dutch person using cycling infrastructure in motorized scooter

But wait, there’s more (RIP Billy Mays). There are actually quite a few more disabled folk out and about in The Netherlands but you don’t often notice them. Many people who need a cane, crutches, or a walker to get around on foot are still able to ride a bicycle. I’ve watched dozens of people ride up to a store, deftly support themselves with their bike as they park it and pull a cane or crutches out of a holder on their bike or use a walker that’s provided for them by the store.


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14 Responses to Some Personal Observations About Getting Around the Twin Cities

  1. Mike Sonn
    Mike Sonn April 22, 2015 at 3:10 pm #

    “12 mph makes for a long mile”

    2 min at 30 mph
    5 min at 12 mph

    Eh, one extra song on the radio. Also, maybe wouldn’t be so bad if things weren’t so far apart to accommodate car infra (parking, extra lanes, etc).

    • Matty Lang
      Matty Lang April 22, 2015 at 8:41 pm #

      To be fair, it most likely would be 1+ extra songs if we’re listening to Guided By Voices, but I would enjoy profiting from that situation.

  2. Kele April 22, 2015 at 6:25 pm #

    re: red lights

    In Milwaukee, I found that at night many of the intersections turn to blinking reds, minimizing waiting time. I have long wondered why MSP has not adopted a similar approach? I come across so many intersections where this would be incredibly useful.

  3. Adam Froehlig
    Adam Froehlig April 22, 2015 at 8:08 pm #

    Regarding 61 thru WBL, narrowing 5 lanes from 12ft to 11ft results in 5ft of saved space. Walker laments not using that for a bikeway but one should consider that 5ft would only get you a single, minimum-standard bike lane.

    • Walker Angell
      Walker Angell April 23, 2015 at 6:52 am #

      There was additional right-of-way, I think about 5′, but not enough to do a bikeway and decorative median.

  4. Monte Castleman
    Monte Castleman April 23, 2015 at 11:02 am #

    It’s understandable that Mn/DOT doesn’t want to get into (potentially expensive) philosophical design issues every time they want to fix a few bumps in the road. But if White Bear Lake wants an anti-car makeover with substandard lanes, maybe they should take control of the road once the resurfacing is done. (Which is the long term goal anyway as US 61 is not a principal arterial)

    • Matty Lang
      Matty Lang April 23, 2015 at 11:47 am #

      How is 11′ lane widths “anti-car”? That’s a ridiculous statement. A Ford Exhibition is 6.5′ wide.

      • Joseph Totten
        Joseph Totten April 24, 2015 at 3:27 pm #

        11′ is acceptable in certain situations even along freeways, but often they must contain spiral curves to ensure semis stay in their lane. From highway design class. I’d think unless this is a curvy stretch of road, or has heavy truck traffic, 11′ is an acceptable lane width.

        Also, CAN a city take over a US highway? I’ve never seen a federal highway being maintained by any level of government lower than the state.

        • Walker Angell
          Walker Angell April 25, 2015 at 10:04 am #

          Joseph, what are spiral curves?

          In Europe a road like 61 going through a town like White Bear Lake will often be slowed to 30 MPH and lanes narrowed, with approx 9′ lanes not unusual.

        • Nathanael April 29, 2015 at 10:07 pm #

          Appropriate lane width is actually 9 feet. I sat down and measured my pre-WWII local streets here in upstate NY (when there was no traffic). 9 feet, guys, 8 feet in some places.

      • Monte Castleman
        Monte Castleman April 25, 2015 at 4:01 pm #

        It was done with the intent to slow down traffic, therefore it is anti-car, no matter what the width of the lane vs a Ford Expedition is.

        As far as the city taking over the road, there’s no special significance to a “US” numbered highway that makes it sacred. Lyndale Ave in north Minneapolis used to be US 169, it’s now a city street.

  5. Rosa April 24, 2015 at 4:16 pm #

    “Consistently driving the speed limit results in lots of cars piled up behind, some obviously angry passes, a bit of honking, and some sign language. ”

    Yes, I have learned that in the past few years as I try to stick with the speed limit on neighborhood streets. It’s viewed as REALLY aggressive by other drivers, I think. I wouldn’t dare try it on the highway.

    And the lights with no cross-traffic one – this is even worse as a pedestrian or on a bike. The light at 34th & Cedar, it will be starting to turn (the don’t walk light starts blinking on the cross street) and the car that is waiting will get bored and turn right or cut through the gas station, and then the change is canceled if no one hit the beg button (which I have to ride up onto the sidewalk to touch) so the walk to cross 34th goes back on and the green light stays for Cedar for ever. This is why everyone jaywalks.

  6. Keith Morris April 24, 2015 at 5:30 pm #

    The discrepancy between cyclists in St Paul and Minneapolis is stark: I often feel like I’m the only one riding a bike in St Paul and when I’m back in Minneapolis they’re everywhere: I feel like I’m back home whenever I cross the river. I guess St Paulites just prefer to motor away or they only ride their bikes and walk over here if they do. And yeah, 12 MPH is slow: either you’re a child, elderly, or plain out of shape. I busted my ass up Snelling to about Minnehaha this morning during rush hour and kept up with traffic going at least near 20 MPH since the motorists up ahead were inconveniencing everyone else by forcing us to slow down.

    Oh and speaking of blinking reds instead of timed signals, 9th and Nicollet over a week ago a little before 6 PM was down and had blinking lights: no back ups. I’ve seen it at Lowry and Central a couple of times: not that bad really. And during construction on the bridge on Central south of 18th the intersection at 14th had blinking lights and never was there any backups the days it did that. The city should do these as tests on tons of intersections because they’ll only prove that timed signals are totally unnecessary.

    • Nathanael April 29, 2015 at 10:09 pm #

      Yeah. You only need timed signals for a small number of intersections. Traffic lights are seriously overused in the US in general.