A Police Shooting at the Crossroads of Minnesota

Investigators from Minnesota's Bureau of Criminal Apprehension at the scene of the shooting of Philando Castile on Wednesday night, by Tony Webster (CC-BY-SA)

Investigators from Minnesota’s Bureau of Criminal Apprehension at the scene of the shooting of Philando Castile on Wednesday night, by Tony Webster (CC-BY-SA)

My Thursday morning had a strange start when I checked my Twitter feed and saw news that an African-American man, Philando Castile, had been shot and killed shortly before I’d gone to bed, and it had happened in a place I knew pretty well. Disturbing live video taken by his girlfriend in the moments immediately after his shooting by a St. Anthony police officer had gone viral, drawing attention from across the country and around the world. It was jarring to see the name of the small suburb of Falcon Heights posted hashtag form by the celebrities and national news reporters that I follow. It’s a place that’s not well-known outside of Minnesota, but it was right at a location close to the heart of many people who live here, and shines a stark light on the fact that we still have some major divides.

Castile had been pulled over on Larpenteur Avenue in Falcon Heights when he was shot by Officer Jeronimo Yanez. Follow the street west, and it becomes Hennepin Avenue, one of the most significant thoroughfares in Minneapolis. And yet, the site of Castile’s shooting was only a stone’s throw from farm fields—land used by agricultural programs at the University of Minnesota’s “Saint Paul” campus. But, as if that juxtaposition isn’t evocative enough, he was also stopped right by Larpenteur’s intersection with Underwood Street, the northernmost entrance to the grounds of the Minnesota State Fair.


Falcon Heights, Home of the State Fair

I used to live within two miles of the site where Castile was shot, so I’m familiar with the location, and I’m far from alone. The fair draws 1.8 million people over its annual 12-day run—equivalent to one-third of the state’s population—so there are a lot of people who also know the area. The fair is a place of pilgrimage for Minnesotans, though certainly more of a destination to gain a few pounds rather than gain spiritual enlightenment. Travel south from Larpenteur along Underwood Street into the site of “The Great Minnesota Get-Together” and you’ll pass major fair landmarks including Machinery Hill, Ye Old Mill, the Food Building, and—just before reaching the street’s end at Como Avenue—the Dairy Building and the Haunted Mansion. Yes, the last time you were munching on deep-fried cheese curds, you were likely just a 10-minute walk away from the site of Wednesday night’s shooting.

The Black Lives Matter movement was heavily criticized last year for staging a protest at the state fair, a move that now appears prescient given how police violence against the black community has landed right at its doorstep for all the world to see. It’s likely that the shooting of Castile, known as “Mr. Phil” among students at J.J. Hill Montessori School where he worked as a kitchen supervisor, will have a short half-life in the national news spotlight, but its location should cause its impact to continue to resonate here. It happened at a place where everyone should be welcome, and not one where race or cultural background should cause people to be treated any differently.

Phil Castile was pulled over by officers of the St. Anthony Police Department, a force that is shared by the communities of St. Anthony (pop. 9,000), Falcon Heights (pop. 5,600), and Lauderdale (pop. 2,500). It’s a somewhat strange jurisdiction, since it isn’t a contiguous area. Lauderdale and Falcon Heights are both located along Larpenteur Avenue and are adjacent to each other, but St. Anthony doesn’t touch either of them. Police from St. Anthony, to the northwest of the other two cities, need to travel through Minneapolis or the neighboring suburb of Roseville to get to Lauderdale and Falcon Heights, though it’s a fairly short distance.

A map of the jurisdiction of the St. Anthony Police Department in St. Anthony, Lauderdale, and Falcon Heights, Minnesota.

A map of the jurisdiction of the St. Anthony Police Department in St. Anthony, Lauderdale, and Falcon Heights, Minnesota.

According to what Diamond Reynolds said in her video, they’d been pulled over due to a broken taillight on their car. If that’s what the officer said, it may have been a ruse to interrogate Mr. Castile for other reasons. Witnesses have shown images of the car with its lights on, and police scanner audio also tells a different but no less damning story:

“I’m going to stop a car. […] I’m gonna check IDs. I have reason to pull it over. The two occupants just look like people that were involved in a robbery. The driver looks more like one of our suspects, just ’cause of the wide set nose.”

That’s a statement that smacks of racism, since it’s casting an extremely wide net based on a characteristic common among black people—like stopping and questioning anyone who’s wearing blue jeans, though in this case it’s a body feature and something that couldn’t be changed on a whim. Perhaps there were other things the officer saw that he didn’t mention over the radio, but this incident strongly resembles a case of “driving while black” that ended with a deadly turn.

Are there officers of the St. Anthony Police Department who camp out on Larpenteur Avenue looking for people with wide noses? That’s just one of many questions that need answering.

A 2003 study of police in several Minnesota suburbs found that black drivers were more than three times as likely to to be stopped by police as compared to the average, so the St. Anthony police’s behavior probably isn’t unique in our region. Castile had been stopped many times before and had racked up quite a list of citations, but it’s difficult to know whether his actions were significantly worse than average. If a population is being unfairly targeted to begin with, it’s possible to get caught in a feedback loop, racking up fines and citations at an increasing rate, with it becoming harder and harder to pay down the fines and handle the necessary time in court.

In a twist that makes this case different from most other shootings by police, Castile was traveling with a gun, one that was legal with the carry permit he held. According to his girlfriend, he informed the officer about the gun at the start of the stop, but when he was trying to comply with the officer’s request for him to pull out his ID, the officer interpreted Castile’s motions as a grab for the gun and shot him four times.

The video by Diamond Reynolds, Castile’s girlfriend, didn’t show the shooting or the events leading up to it, but instead began seconds later as an officer continued to point a gun through the window at her boyfriend. Everything from that point on is also unpleasant to watch or read through, as it reveals a failure to render immediate first aid to Castile, the handcuffing of Reynolds (also at gunpoint), and the fact that her four-year-old daughter had been in the back seat through the whole incident. The video ends with Reynolds (still in handcuffs) in the back seat of a squad car with her daughter as they waited for whatever would come next.

(Here is a copy of the video. Note that the image is flipped, and Castile is in the driver’s seat. If you prefer, transcripts are also available.)

There had been a similar incident the day before in Baton Rouge, Louisiana, where Alton Sterling was shot and killed while being arrested for selling CDs. Sterling had also been carrying a gun, in a state where open-carry is generally legal. Sterling had a long rap sheet and may not have qualified under those laws, but, like Castile’s driving offenses, selling music on the street is not a crime that should be punished by death.

Open-carry regulations in Texas also appear to have contributed to confusion on Thursday night as police sought out who shot a dozen police, killing 5, and two members of the public during protests related to the deaths of Castile and Sterling. Multiple people had been seen carrying guns at the protest. Police ultimately used a robot to set off a bomb that killed the suspect, Micah Johnson, perhaps the first time that has ever happened in American policing. (Bombs have been used on rare occasions before, such as against the MOVE compound in Philadelphia in 1985, but the robot delivery system is new. They are most commonly used by police bomb squads to destroy suspected explosive devices in a controlled manner.)


Policing and Public Safety

In all of these incidents, we’ve seen collisions between current policies for public safety and personal protection, and it didn’t end well in any of them, so there are a lot of things that need re-examining.

First and foremost, police and the judicial system must treat people equally regardless of the color of their skin or their cultural background, and afford everyone the same rights. The public also has a big role to play, since it’s common for residents to express more concern and call police more often when they see black people around than when they see whites, and that’s not acceptable either. Many of us need to recalibrate our sense of what is normal behavior by others, and that mostly just means spending more time around people with different backgrounds than our own. Take the bus more often or find a place to visit in a neighborhood you usually don’t go. It might feel strange at first, but it’s likely any discomfort will fade over time.

Police officers may also need to be redistributed across the regions that their departments serve. The St. Anthony Police Department’s 2015 Annual Report notes that they issued 6,765 citations last year: 2,410 in St. Anthony, 2,055 in Lauderdale, and 2,300 in Falcon Heights. The report doesn’t include detailed breakdowns for Lauderdale or Falcon Heights, but 92% of the citations in St. Anthony were for moving violations. There’s something suspicious about those numbers, especially since Lauderdale is such a tiny place (a smaller population and only 0.4 square miles in area, in comparison to 2.2 square miles for Falcon Heights and 2.4 square miles for St. Anthony).

It’s possible that these cities may be depending too heavily on revenue from fines from police citations. These small places right next to major core cities are among the strongest candidates in our region for annexation by Minneapolis and Saint Paul, something that should be strongly considered if they have been shoring up budgets with ticket revenue.

Even when officers are being even-handed, it’s possible for them to enhance existing disparities. Over in the Minneapolis police force, the most prolific ticket-writing officer had issued 2,223 citations over a 21-month period, while the average for an officer in the department was a mere 147 over that same amount of time. He was generally praised for being equally strict in his policing no matter who he confronted, but his work was focused in the economically disadvantaged and predominantly African-American north side of Minneapolis. (By the time of the 2015 MPR profile, he’d been reassigned to a unit focused on problem rental properties.)

Since African-Americans (and, to a lesser extent, other minorities) have been subject to higher scrutiny by police, there must be a systematic review of the records of people who have gotten caught up in feedback loops of the judicial system. It would make sense to wipe out certain charges and perhaps even pay people back for fines and time spent in court that were only racked up because of being unfairly targeted in the first place.

Police departments should audit the reports filed by their officers to ensure accuracy. A recent Frontline documentary showed how some officers lie or distort their statements about what happens during patrols. It’s difficult to be 100% accurate and impossible to include every detail in reports, but follow-up interviews and regular reviews of dashboard and body camera footage would help identify officers who are mistreating the people they interact with or who are regularly falsifying or omitting critical information. Of course, departments also need to follow through on those audits and appropriately punish or retrain officers who violate the rules, something that has often failed to happen in the past.


The Burden of Traffic Enforcement

Philando Castile was often cited for lack of insurance in previous instances when he’d been pulled over by police, though it’s unclear to me whether that meant he didn’t have any insurance at all or just didn’t have up-to-date proof. (I’ve been pulled over once by the police and got dinged for having an out-of-date insurance card, even though my policy was paid in full and the account number was correct. I would have gotten away with a warning for my main offense of illegally turning right on red if not for that.)

It’s expensive to own and operate a car, and sometimes they’re unaffordable. Perhaps Castile had been unable to pay the cost of maintenance and insurance on his car, though that may not have entirely been his fault either. A recent report found that one Minneapolis resident was being charged a 300% higher rate that what was typical for someone of higher socioeconomic status with a similar driving record. If you were being gouged at that level, would you pay the insurance or take the risk of driving without? Insurance cost disparities are likely something that requires investigation by the Minnesota Attorney General.

The costs of driving also underscore why it’s critical to have a balanced transportation network, combined with development policies that limit sprawl, so it’s possible to get around in a reasonable amount of time without needing a car. MnDOT funneled $3.3 billion for the state trunk highway network, state aid for qualifying county roads and city streets, and related administrative activities in 2015. In comparison, only a tiny amount was spent on actual infrastructure for public transportation that year. (Most of the money Metro Transit and other agencies receive is spent on operations rather than infrastructure. Nearly all of the operational cost of roadways is borne by drivers rather than MnDOT.) Spreading housing, employment, and retail across a car-dependent landscape with little or no means for economically disadvantaged populations to get around sets the stage for entrapment and persecution.


The Gun Issue

Finally, there’s the issue of the guns involved. Personally, I find guns to be completely inappropriate for personal protection and believe that the Second Amendment was really intended to allow the arming of state-level militias (today organized as the National Guard) rather than individuals, but Philando Castile was exercising his rights as they are currently interpreted when he was carrying his legally permitted weapon.

As if Castile’s shooting on Wednesday and the chaos in Dallas on Thursday night wasn’t enough, we were again shocked on Friday when two toddlers were shot by stray bullets in North Minneapolis. A two-year-old died and a 15-month-old was injured in the drive-by shooting.

Police are trained to shoot at a person's center of mass, a target that could easily be deadly. Attempts to shoot at extremities are often ineffective. Source: NYPD 2013 firearms discharge report.

Police are trained to shoot at a person’s center of mass, a target that could easily be deadly. Attempts to shoot at extremities are often ineffective. Source: NYPD 2013 firearms discharge report.

Guns are often inaccurate in real-world situations and have no ability to deliver a response proportional to a threat. The idea of intentionally shooting someone to disable or disarm them rather than to kill is largely a myth, and evidence backing their use for personal defense is practically nonexistent. There were zero reported cases of guns being used for self-defense by carry permit holders in Minnesota in 2013.

The fact I find most damning about guns is that ownership rates are strongly correlated with the suicide rate across the U.S.—and that’s the overall suicide rate (it is less commonly attempted and succeeds less frequently in places where firearms are less common). Across the country, two-thirds of firearm deaths are suicides and only about one-third are homicides. The difference is even starker in Minnesota, where 4 out of every 5 gun deaths in 2013 (339 out of 419) were firearm-related suicides, according to CDC data. That’s a public health disaster.

For these reasons, I think it should be far more difficult to get guns, and we should go back to disallowing carry permits from being issued for personal protection, something that’s common in other countries and a policy that had been in place in some Minnesota jurisdictions until changes to state law in the 1990s.

If we continue to allow carry permits to the same extent here, there should at least be a statewide database or portal to ensure that they can be validated as quickly as possible. Minnesota’s current system is set up so permits are issued and recorded independently by sheriffs in the state’s 87 different counties. Notably, the St. Anthony PD operates in both Hennepin County (where the bulk of St. Anthony is located) and Ramsey County (where Lauderdale and Falcon Heights are located). Castile’s permit was issued by the Hennepin County Sheriff.

Police should also be carrying guns less frequently than they do today. If cops spend the majority of their time patrolling for moving violations and responding to calls for medical assistance, is there even a need to be wearing a holster all day long? I’d be okay with police having weapons available in the trunks of their squad cars or in other on-board lockers in case a situation turns hot, but they normally just aren’t necessary.

There’s an overabundance of police training time spent on firearms and self-defense in comparison to time for mediation and community policing strategies, despite the fact that the latter are exactly what are needed on a day-to-day basis. In New York City, only one out of every 850 officers intentionally fired their weapon at suspects while on duty through the course of 2013. That’s only a 1 in 300,000 chance that a firearm will be used on any given day by an individual officer, and evidence that cops are spending far too much time learning how to shoot at a threat that will likely never come, and far too little time training for the 99.9997% of days when their weapon will not be discharged at another human being.

We all deserve to have safe and fruitful lives, to be able to travel where we need when we need to, and to get through our days without being needlessly harassed. These are rights that are not being equally afforded to all Minnesotans today, and that’s a situation that must be remedied.

About Mike Hicks

Mike Hicks is a computer geek at heart, but has always had interests in transportation and urban planning. A longtime contributor to Wikipedia, he started a blog about trains and other transportation after realizing it had been two decades since he'd first heard about a potential high-speed rail line from Chicago to Minneapolis. Read more at http://hizeph400.blogspot.com/

20 thoughts on “A Police Shooting at the Crossroads of Minnesota

  1. Monte Castleman

    I disagree completely with your interpretation on the right to bear arms, but I won’t go there, except to not that statistics don’t show the number of crimes prevented because criminals are afraid of the possibility that victims might be able to defend themselves and maybe stealing a wallet or invading their home isn’t worth their life, and I actually feel unsafe in “gun-free” zones (where only bad guys have guns) and avoid them to the extent possible. The other part of the study you didn’t cite is that permit holders aren’t out committing crimes either.

    So what do you expect cops to do if during a traffic stop someone like Jamie Hood or Eriase Tisdale opens fire on them? Is it realistic to expect they’d have time to go back to their cruiser and retrieve their weapon? How many more cops will be murdered during traffic stops if the bad guys no for a fact that they can’t defend themselves without going back to the cruiser?

    But as far black people being stopped. Do we have statistics as to how often they commit stoppable traffic violations as opposed to the general population? Yes, it’s profiling if they commit violations at the same rate, or even double the rate of white drivers and the stop rate is three times, but are there any statistics to that effects? And FWIW I’ve been stopped three times by suburban and rural cops for busted lights. Once they found my car wasn’t full of weed and I have valid insurance they let me go, but it seems stops when they have nothing better to do are a primary way of finding larger violations.

    1. Alex CecchiniAlex Cecchini

      Answering your last paragraph question. It’s kind of hard to know the exact rates of traffic violations by race, since the best data we have comes from who is pulled over for what, which already has a potential bias in it based on profiling.

      With that said, there’s a good ACLU report based on Minneapolis data that delves into low-level arrests and citations. https://www.aclu.org/feature/picking-pieces

      Yes, it’s possible minorities, who are statistically lower income and therefore less likely to afford repairs, are more likely to have a tail light out or any other offense that would tip off a police officer. It’s also possible that minorities break the law by speeding or running stop signs or whatever more often. A study on the NJ Turnpike found that in the higher speed zones (65 mph limit), blacks sped 2.7% of the time compared to 1.4% of the time. On 55 mph limit zones, the gap disappeared (13.1% vs 13.5% speeders). So it’s kinda tough to draw any specific conclusions. But the ACLU and other studies have shown minorities pulled over at a lower comparative rate to whites when it’s dark out (and seeing the driver’s race is harder for an officer). Studies have shown minorities are more likely to get a ticket when pulled over than whites, and are more likely to have their vehicle searched.

      So, I don’t know. When you pile these biases on top of a bunch of other systemic biases (black names being turned down in “blind” job offers more, housing discrimination, etc), it’s not hard to believe there’s some bias in the police force before they even walk up to the vehicle.

    2. Ethan OstenEthan Osten

      “So what do you expect cops to do if during a traffic stop someone like Jamie Hood or Eriase Tisdale opens fire on them?”

      Well, look. Set aside the racial disparities, the fact that Castile had an open-carry gun, etc. Even without those factors, it’s transparently obvious that an officer who approaches a vehicle with a firearm–especially a drawn firearm–is more likely to shoot and kill the person inside the vehicle than an officer without a ready firearm. And it’s also pretty clear that this exposes innocent and non-threatening people to significant risk. Look at the Levar Jones case in 2013, where the officer who shot him (Groubert) eventually pled guilty to serious felonies.

      So the question we have to ask ourselves is whether we value the absolute safety of police over the wellbeing of any innocents who are harmed (inadvertently or not) in the process. I don’t think that’s an ethical position to take.

    3. John

      You really shouldn’t be afraid of gun-free zones, as the idea that they are less safe is nothing more than a myth. You can see that just from looking at recent shootings. There were people carrying in Dallas, Orlando, San Bernadino, Umpqua, at the Gabriel Giffords shooting, and more. And to your first point, yes, we don’t know if people were deterred from committing crimes by our lax gun laws, but we also don’t know if there weren’t MORE people carrying at many of these shootings. There was at least one person with a gun at the Pulse nightclub shooting, but we have no idea if any of the several dozen victims or even greater numbers of survivors were also carrying, and simply weren’t able to defend themselves with their weapons because it isn’t as easy to do so as gun advocates make it seem.

    4. Mike Hicks Post author

      There was another mass shooting at a county courthouse in St. Joseph, Michigan today where two bailiffs and a sheriff’s deputy were killed and several others injured. However, the gun in this case had been grabbed off of a deputy by the inmate who pulled the trigger. That’s a liability that often doesn’t get discussed — the weapons of officers and carrying members of the public can end up turned against them in many cases.

      1. John

        That’s something I’ve thought about a lot lately as well. In two of the recent high profile police shootings (Mike Brown and Jamar Clark), the deceased allegedly tried to grab an officer’s weapon. How often are the weapons the police carry a liability? Surely not as often as they are an asset, but it’s a question I think we should consider.

  2. Matt SteeleMatthew Steele

    The 2015 annual report DOES break down citations and arrests by municipality, on Page 3.

    “In Lauderdale, we issued 2,055 citations and made 537 arrests In Falcon Heights, we issued 2,300 citations and made 700 arrests.”

    That means tiny Lauderdale saw nearly one citation per resident in 2015, and nearly one arrest per every four residents in 2015. To call those numbers suspicious would be an understatement.

    1. Mike Hicks Post author

      Thanks Matt, I think you were first person to notice those figures. However, what I meant was that it didn’t include the breakdown of moving violations vs. other citations.

  3. Alex CecchiniAlex Cecchini

    Thanks for writing this piece, Mike. Covers a lot of ground on public safety, and highlights how “urbanist issues” intersect with many other ones. And, sometimes where the connection isn’t as strong or maybe even competes a little.

    One example of that would be the connection between a landscape built for driving and one where you can get around by foot/bike/transit. I think we urbanists, who tend to be white males, should be cautious about invoking racial justice language in this particular realm without some major caveats and other advocacy. We know that minorities are also stopped and frisked (where allowed), or given citations for minor crimes, just while walking. As you note, they’re more likely to be viewed as doing something suspicious by residents. Minorities are also more likely to be pulled over while on a bike, and even transit police exhibit many of the same biases in ticketing riders. Not accusing you (or any reader) of not knowing these things, just that we can’t assume a dense, multi-modal city automatically means one with less racial profiling.

    1. Adam MillerAdam Miller

      Perhaps not, but a city in which walking and biking are viewed a legitimate/common transportation options even for those with the means to make other choices might help.

    2. Rosa

      walking, biking, waiting for a bus…it’s not the mode, it’s the enforcers.

      That said, the racist enforcement of driving rules is a really thorny issue for those of us advocating for pedestrians and cyclists. I would really, really like some enforcement of speeding, stopping, and yielding rules on our city streets. But I know they’d be misused.

      Too bad we can’t get a separate unarmed traffic enforcement contingent. I don’t see how pullover stops are more dangerous to police than ticketing parked cars or peering into people’s back yards to write grass height or tire storage violations, so it seems like arguing enforcers always have to be armed is not very well supported.

  4. Daughter Number Three

    The nature of Larpenteur Avenue in Lauderdale and Falcon Heights makes me wonder whether the idea of community policy is realistic for those cities. Lauderdale may have one citation per resident, but you can bet that the vast majority of those don’t go to residents at all, but rather to people who are “passing through” the 30 mph zone just east of 280. How do you implement community policing on a low density suburban stroad?

  5. paddy

    A few? points:


    “There’s something suspicious about those numbers, especially since Lauderdale is such a tiny place (a smaller population and only 0.4 square miles in area, in comparison to 2.2 square miles for Falcon Heights and 2.4 square miles for St. Anthony”

    This is somewhat misleading. Although Falcon heights may be listed at 2.2 sq miles 2/3 of that area is either the U of M campus (probably patrolled by U of M cops), the U of M golf course/soccer stadium/softball stadium, the farm fields of the U of M, or the state fair. The livable area of Falcon Heights is probably similar to Lauderdale. I also wonder how many people in the population are really U of M students.

    2) I’d love to see the revenue numbers for those traffic stops. It’s my contention (based on these numbers) that Larpenteur basically functions as a toll road, taxing the people the people driving on it with broken tail lights for example. This tax probably falls of minority and poor people more. This is basically the opposite objective of community policing and probably undermines the efforts of both St. Paul and Minneapolis

    3) I’d love to see the ticket numbers for Roseville,

    4) I wish you would have skipped the gun stuff but that’s just me. I think the 2nd amendment folks could help drive change in this instance if they feel like a gun owner was shot because he was a gun owner.

    1. Monte Castleman

      Because poor people can’t afford $3.00 for a two-pack of new tail lights? Maybe charities should give them out. Are people in Falcon Heights actually getting citations for no tail-lights as opposed to warnings?

      1. Mike Hicks Post author

        First, it’s not really clear if that’s why he got pulled over. Second, it’s hard to tell when taillights go out, since they aren’t visible from the driver’s seat and don’t cast light very far. My car can detect when bulbs burn out, but many cars don’t. Unfortunately, my car doesn’t let me know which light is out. I had a brake light go out one time, and I needed to have someone else stand behind the car to tell me which one it was.

        That can be more obvious when using a household garage, since the light can reflect off the garage door immediately behind, but for anyone who parks out in the driveway or in an apartment building’s surface lot or garage, there may not be any clue that any lights aren’t working. So, I think a point you’re getting at is that police should rarely ticket for lights being out, and should instead notify people as a public service. With police dashcams, it could easily work to just take a snapshot of the car’s tail end and mail notification to the owner.

      2. Paddy

        As someone else eluded to these are pretext stops on Larpenteur. I looked at 6 months of arrests of crimestats-dot-com and there were like 11 DUI’s 8 warrants and 7 Narcotics. I am supposing that the warrants and Narcotics were generated about of traffic stops.

        They are writing 7 tickets a day. I know they are giving warnings. The neighborhood Facebook page documented numerous warnings. How many people are getting pulled over everyday? A dozen? 2 dozen?

        I don’t know why he was pulled over. Whether it was a tail light or because he had a wide nose (whatever the F— that means). I do know this revenue based toll road racing philosophy is crap that adversely affects poor people, whether they can’t afford a $3 light or they can’t pay fines or they can’t afford jacked insurance. It has no business being the policing philosophy in our area. St Paul doesn’t do it Minneapolis doesn’t do it and I’d bet Roseville doesn’t do it.

      3. GlowBOy

        Often the bulb isn’t the problem. I’ve had taillights malfunction on older Hondas and (worse, intermittently) VWs due to wiring problems. Most people don’t do their own work beyond oil changes these days … trips to the repair shop (not to mention wiring harnesses) aren’t cheap. A lot of lower-income black people are driving older cars that will be disproportionately subject to these problems.

        Over the years I’ve had a lot of older cars, and cumulatively have had a fair amount of time when at least one light was out on them, but being I’ve only been pulled over for them a couple of times. Not sure that would be true if I were black.

        And as mentioned above, you often don’t know when you have a taillight out. Many newer cars will tell you when a bulb is out, but most older cars, and even relatively newer economy cars, don’t have that feature.

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